The only joy in doing this is we would be obeying Gods word. . How can a husband love his wife as Christ loved the church when he is emotionally, mentally, physically, and sexually abusive? Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. Hi. Gosh she is just filthy with gossip as fact and at very best half the story. Dan currently is an executive and leadership coach and the founder of Front Seat Leadership. But, at whatever time it was, you know, midnight in India or something sitting in the lobby, I sent an email, put my name on it, heres my statement. And you know, Rick Donald was one of the people. Whether he was going to resign or have an opportunity to resign or, you know, terminate his employment was to be determined at that point. From the overflow of your heart your mouth (and thumbs) are speaking. Dan also was in numerous meetings with James McDonald prior to his firing. And he was the elder who insisted that scathing letters written by former and current staff at Harvest actually reached the members of the board. Dominican Republic, a resort there and invited their wives to come with them. Thats right. Also, make sure you subscribe to The Roys Report on Apple podcasts or Google podcasts. And she immediately said, Ill write a letter. Judson is a top ranked Christian university providing a caring community and an excellent college experience. Christians should stop feeding these people. Anne Green, who is married, alleged that MacDonald touched her inappropriately on a private plane in 2005. But James McDonald, he did not like to fly with the commoners, from what I understand. https://biblehub.com/hebrew/898.htm bagad (treachery aka abuse) is used FIVE times in Malachi 2:10-16!!! I knew what the topic was. But, I dont believe I have ever heard anyone say in any of these posts, husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her. This is a story that directly contradicts what MacDonald published in recent videos and statements on his webpage. Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? I agree that its loving to speak the truth, even when its unpopular, but the New Testament also has a lot to say about the way we conduct ourselves and how we should treat each other. 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So, Dan, thank you for that. If you hear that from the pulpit, or you hear that up front, I think, if Im sitting, if Im sitting in the seat, I think well, how fast can I get to my car and confess everything that just the Holy Spirit just brought to mind? Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! . Nearly 30 pages, innumerable charges between all those people, Julie, they served on the staff of Harvest Bible Chapel for somewhere between 40 and 50 years collectively. I remember praying before the Harvest Elgin campus as a garage, and its a former corporate space. Yes, it is. Hed been the senior pastor the whole time. However, you did sign a letter of unconditional support. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! Voice of James MacDonald Believed to Be Featured in Vulgar Comments. I mean, I got exonerated rather quickly. Chicago-area Republic Bank has stopped foreclosure proceedings against disgraced celebrity preacher, James MacDonald, and reinstated MacDonald's mortgage on his $1.5 million Elgin estate. Think of the godly ones youve known and thank God for them. There were elders and influential families that spoke against Moses in the desert, God destroyed them and their families. In that same meeting that same Thursday night, he argued, the elders shouldnt have the letters. But so much else not owned. Yet another American megachurch is immersed in accusations of wrongdoings. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. Not all the elders had physical copies of the letters at that point. Mine havent offered any blessings, but at least they havent eaten my extremities while I sleep. Im gonna put it up on my Facebook page, on my blog. ARC is one of the largest church planting organizations in North America. Guest Bios Show Transcript Many times, those who have experienced spiritual abuse are retraumatized when they try to speak about whats happened. when men make the final decision in the marriage, even if they consult with their wife first, chances of divorce increases 7.4 times . Very interesting discussion. James MacDonald, who was recently fired as senior pastor at Harvest Bible Chapel, is now facing an allegation of sexual misconduct by the church's former worship leader. I didnt know these things were going on, but Im so sorry. I would listen to MacArthur, Piper and Macdonald on a regular basis. Now what we did do is there were probably I dont remember the number Julie. To donate, click here. Understandable. Hi. SMH. uterus or clean out a womb after a stillbirth (because these treatments are labeled abortions, and even that word brings out comments like yours). Its come to this. Jesus died on the cross for to take the weight of our sin so that we could be released from it. Welcome to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. James MacDonald and His Earlier Attacks on Julie Roys. So I had a pretty good sense of what the meeting was gonna be from that point on. We dont know what it would look like tomorrow. For narcissists, attracting attention is the point. Just look at King David . He should sell cars or computers. And there was a group and we had two prayer meetings of people who had been former elders, staff people who have gone on the record with me. And I remember being in the meeting thinking, I cant believe were arguing about this. TRR reached out to Visconti numerous times for comment about his partnership with MacDonald and his provocative social media posts, but Visconti did not respond. No One Knows. And that reminded me of something that Dan Marquardt told me. So, Julie Roys decided to do what she does best - investigative journalism - in order to find out the truth in the world of m. My husband really appreciates James McDonalds preaching against my better judgement I told him about the new messagesso we have the Advent message from his Home Church network cast to the TV I had planned to leave the room so I didnt have to watch it I have to tell you he sounds sincere (without wax) I find the whole situation so heart breaking and confusing. I think, how is it that we had the word of God sitting in front of us, which is pretty clear about what to do. Had they reached all the elders at this point? Yet, Dan, you owned it. And this wasnt a one time thing. That was you, wasnt it? Theres a number of narratives out there right now about how these letters came to the elder board. And then out of the blue, I get slapped with a lawsuit from James McDonald before I published anything. I just knew the Lord made it clear I had to do it. And whats so tough in this whole thing is that there are wolves among the sheep. Yes, yes. Because I believe in the church. Well, again, joining me today is Dan George, a former elder at Harvest, and one of only two former elders whos apologized to me personally, for some of the nasty things that were said about me when I was reporting on the church and James McDonald. But he said even the way said that he said, we got out of that meeting, we looked at each other. If this passage defines what a strong husband looks like, I think most of the issues take care of themselves. Like Tullian Tchvidjian, he would be a great salesman. Thats about my attitude lately. The way James MacDonald is said to have treated others while pastor of Harvest and the way he behaves on Twitter dont seem to be in keeping with the way the New Testament says we should behave. How about it James McDonald and John MacArthur (and the like), how about it? I felt physically sick reading the letter. So those letters, and I just, I had to thank you, Dan, because those letters may have never reached the full elder board had you not push the issue. And that was a big question. Vernick, however, believes abuse is grounds for divorce. And I checked my voicemail. Again, she was the the wife of Dave Corning who was an elder at Harvest for over 20 years, and telling her stories, and one of her stories was you know about pictures of her being put up on a on a wall as a target practice for James McDonald and her seeing this shot up with a pellet gun. But But I remember saying to the guys, listen, heres the passages Ive been studying. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. There is a solution for our sin in Scripture. to Rick Donald. He says, Well, for when I kept silent my bones wasted through my groaning all day long for day and night, your hand was heavy upon me. And youre going to hear all about what happened in those meetings and the strong arm tactics that McDonald used to try and get his way. And this was a spiritual battle. Why did you think it was important to own not just who James McDonald was, and not just point the finger at him. Why is it important to you to let people know what really happened? Thank you for taking the stand that you did. And at the end of the night, we looked around the room, we had talked through it. And I did it. Very sad situation for James and the elders as well. Whats the point of arguing the point, you know, like, okay, youre gonna say you dont remember that part. How do you how do you do anything with 30 people? We had a group of Pastors who interviewed him and he gave us free tickets to his Straight Up conference. Its a reference to sex magik and the leaders have given a hat tip to their god right in the church name. And the things that were done to them after they left. I certainly am no Bible scholar. Dan resigned from the Harvest elder board in March 2019, calling for reform. . If you read his letter, he was going to publish his letter. It was the elders failure. James McDonald recently did a video with Ron Duitsman, as you said, former chairman of the elder board, where he claims this was all part of a campaign by Dallas Jenkins, whos a former executive leadership team member at Harvest. Gosh she is just filthy with gossip as fact and at very best half the story. It was a four hour meeting. After you guys. So Im deeply grateful for their faithful support. And this is when everything really started happening. I know James McDonald says it was a conference call. And why do you do it in front of everybody? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of God, and Proverbs, etc. And again, this was on the churchs dime. Guest Bios Show Transcript Spiritual abuse has become an increasingly hot topic, as more and more stories of bully pastors and hyper-controlling, Guest Bios Show Transcript After years spent in an abusive church, how do you heal? And I remember, Julie, I was in that meeting that Tuesday night. And you couldnt be accused of disseminating them to the larger public. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. . I knew that I wasnt going to win any arguments in the room. But somewhere around 2008-10 his preaching changed a bit. And I turned to Scripture, and I went to Psalm 32, where you know, the companion to Psalm 51, where Davids writing. And his email says, it seems we are being targeted. I shouldnt be doing this. I say this as a Christian who was taken to task by Christian doctors who told me of all sorts of cases that are not as the woman loved murdering her baby as many pro-life conservatives want everyone to believe. And my wife, my wife and I looking at each other and going are we really doing this? Ill tell you one thing, Julie. Yeah. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. In this episode of The Roys Report, former Harvest elder, Dan George, joins Julie to tell the real story of MacDonalds firing. And to give you the flavor of the meeting, when I walked in the room, and we all greeted each other, we were in the former executive pastors office around an oval table, and James McDonald sitting across from me. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. It wasnt an easy thing to do. And while youre at it, Id really appreciate it if youd help us spread the word about the podcast by leaving a review. And had those letters not reach the board, its hard to say where James McDonald would be today. (Proverbs 27:12). And most of them, a number of them, Ill say, have not read any of these letters. And they said, I remember Dan telling me that that James slammed his fist on the table. Thats thats a much harder relaunch. Thank you. So so sorry for anyone who has had to face the James MacDonald storm. . I am so sorry to report that he has not changed. And then immediately after I felt that relief, I thought of Betsy Corning. And my job was to get it to fellow elder board. She was powerful and wise., Similarly, popular marriage and sex author, Sheila Wray Gregoire, wrote to TRR, The idea that a man can only be happy in a marriage when a wife is weaker than him shows that his idea of manhood is an extremely fragile one., As reported by TRR earlier this week, Visconti has publicly announced that he is being mentored by James MacDonald, and MacDonald has preached at Generation Church numerous times this past year. At the end of that weekend, before James MacDonald got fired in February 2019. And when he sees he cant save it, it sounds like then he was trying to lobby for being able to resign, and a lot of emotional manipulation being used that weekend from from what youve told me. So what happened? I just thought, yeah. In our required Old and New Testament classes, we utilized the Oxford Annotated Bible. But this is a story that just is not going away. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? In 2018, Roys' journalism exposed the now-former senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel (HBC) James MacDonald for his aggressive leadership style and abuse of the church's finances. A Christian leader, according to 1 Timothy 3:3, should not be "greedy for filthy lucre.". The multi-campus Harvest Bible Chapel in greater Chicago along with founder James MacDonald, has slapped several former workers and independent journalist Julie Roys with a defamation lawsuit alleging the publication of false information about the church, its finances and governance that resulted in the loss of 2,000 members. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. It was a conference call because it happened fast. But over there, you know, I, you know, six, seven people who had read the letters, probably more than that by the time, and we talked about what was in the letters. We knew I needed to do it. And we were at an absolute stalemate. And man, if you go back and listen to this morning, morning show I I just, I remember turning on the radio and hearing this, you know, Old MacDonald had a call, e-i, e-i, o This young man had put together it only Mancow can can deliver something the way that he does. His sermons changed from adoration of the text to little postcard messages. But it was dark. So I asked the other elders, I said, I need to repent. Now, now James is saying, oh, Mancow edited this to say something that it really didnt say. Charles, Do you expect ANYONE to say yes to your question. I acknowledge my sin to you. And scripture is really clear that its got to be, you know, two or three witnesses. MacDonald adds, Of the more than 4000 Change Partners once faithfully supporting our efforts monthly, there are now about 150the remnant from which we seek to rebuild. He then invites people to send him gifts. And its to warn people, right? What what were you thinking? Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? You have exemplified godly leadership and godly character. And many who have followed this story know what James McDonald has done. Its phrased to make you feel morally superior. Her articles have appeared in numerous periodicals. Literally more than two dozen people. She first came to my attention with James MacDonald, then with Ravi Zacharias, and now John McArthur plus one of his side-kicks is in her cross-hairs. I remember saying to the larger board, Guys, it is the grace of God that we have these letters. It was so much easier to read and understand. But before I dive into my interview with Dan, I just want to take a minute to thank the sponsors of the Roys report, Judson University and Marquardt of Barrington. Unfortunately, immature children in grown mens bodies seems to be a thing now. Come out of her, my people. James MacDonald (@jamesmacdonald) June 14, 2021. But by the time we were done that night, the decision that night was two things. Still. And in case you dont know, Dan Marquardt was one of three former elders at Harvest, who stood up to James McDonald in 2013, and was excommunicated as a result. And so what Id like to do is just rewind a couple of years to fall 2018. So these letters, and this is what I found really riveting about your story, is when these letters were first given, as you said, they were given to pastors, with the exception of Sandys letter that went directly to you. You could tell where it was headed probably. In June, he posted a picture with 2022 GOP gubernatorial nominee Kari Lake. Hes asking for money. I believe it was from Mancow who texted me. Well, youre welcome. And marital and sexual satisfaction plummet., We are meant to set aside power and authority and serve one another (Matthew 20:25-28) as we are partnered together (Ecclesiastes 4:9-12), Gregoire added. Christian counselor and author, Leslie Vernick, took exception to Viscontis post. Again, youre seeing it from a total other perspective where Im the bad guy, James is a good guy. Thanks for a thoughtful, educated, godly response. The whole crooked machine needs to be brought down. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. The Roys Report has over 78 articles dedicated to MacDonald and/or HBC, many of which were written by Roys. Youre better off reading the Bible at home with your cat. And today youre going to hear from a former insider at Harvest, former elder Dan George. And I was still on the board. He surrounded himself with yes men and used intimidation tactics to keep people in line. Not long ago, I noticed that James MacDonald is still latched onto evangelical watchdog blogger Julie Roys as his number-one. Prominent evangelical scholar, author, and missiologist, Ed Stetzer, is leaving his position as executive director of Wheaton Colleges The Billy Graham Center to become dean, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation Churchan Association of, An Arizona megachurch has hired Landon MacDonald as a lead pastor, despite allegations MacDonald bullied and abused those in his care while pastoring at Harvest, It has been said, Show me a persons checkbook and I can tell you what he cares about. Social Action, 1964 James MacDonald, the, Christian actor Kirk Cameron on Monday featured disgraced pastor James MacDonald as a guest on Camerons TBN Takeaways program on biblical illiteracy. MacDonald was fired, Mark DeMoss, a man described by Christianity Today as Evangelicalisms PR Guru and a former Liberty University trustee, is apparently spending time with two men, Its been more than two years since Harvest Bible Chapel fired James MacDonald for engaging in conduct . A strong woman with a stronger husband will become an unstoppable, gracious, and capable woman. I knew letters were coming to the elder board per First Timothy 5. Thank you for loving the Church and the Lord God Almighty, to take the hard but righteous way rather than the hard way. No, its not how it went down, Julie. All my legal fees got paid. Great! And then saying, I need a private jet to fly me home. It is not an ecclesiastical remedy at least not any longer. Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? No One Knows. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. Harvest Insider Tells What Really Happened with James MacDonald. And I said, I understand that. And everyone who stayed just drank the Kool-Aid. If hes ok with lying it places doubt on the gospel. I stepped away from my computer a couple of times. I think of a few things Julie. Patient, kind, not self-seeking. He teaches that wives should endure abuse like a missionary endures persecution. Roys detailed evidence from former Harvest elders, employees, and members that . Longtime leader of the Chicago-area megachurch Harvest Bible Chapel James MacDonald has been ousted as senior pastor in light of unsavory remarks he made on a hot mic that were aired on local media Tuesday. So that tells you something about the backbone and the integrity of Dan Marquardt. Those are simply other examples of posts about controversial issues. I followed his ministry for almost 2 decades. . And if I would, you know, post some sort of statement. If hes ok with lies, that calls into question everything he preaches. This is the most used and abused (pun intended) argument. Other posts decried abortion, transgenderism, and Christians who are apolitical or nice.. There were times in the meeting where, you know, I didnt even know what gaslighting was. I still dont understand all sides of the transgender issue, but can say 2 things: 1. And we were at a stalemate. Then pray for all of us. Because they stood up to James or they just tried to walk away quietly because they couldnt they couldnt stomach what was going on any any longer. And I dont know what his exact words were, but it was basically dont you dare read scripture to me. When I entered my UCC church-sponsored college, I figured out why. God will deal with him. And so we had a long meeting that Saturday to talk about what we were going to do. Also, if youre in the market for a car, I encourage you to check out my friends at Marquardt of Barrington. The fruit which was souls coming to Christ was enormous. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. 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