And what makes a bad person so bad that he's different from the rest of us? It was about how far would these people go? There's something deeply, deeply wounding, stressing, upsetting a thought that he had anything to do with Zyklon B, but he did. "I just needed to kill because of that." Two more minutes. And it becomes Zyklon B, the killing gas of the concentration camps. They've got a- a very plausible, very credible high status scientist at a high status scientific institution. So wait. TRANSCRIPTS We are working to provide transcripts for as much of our programming as we can over. And there behind the German lines is-. And, you know, the class ended and I went back to my office. Well talk about Fritz Haber. Iago. Why did you take these women off the streets and want to destroy them? And it's moving in about one meter per second. He wrote this graphic novel that I read about one of the most prolific serial killers in US history. We did a show called The Bad Show. Dan Charles, Sam Keen, Latif Nasser, Fred Koffman and Fritz Stern. And I heard about him from science writer, Sam Kean. This is Jeff Jensen, and he's a reporter in LA. Cruelty, violence, badness. This is just a tsunami of evil-, And at the very end of the play, when everyone finds out what Iago's done, Othello asks him, "Why? I do have a choice. Our staff includes Simon Adler, Maggie Bartholomew, Becca Bressler, Rachael Cusick, David Gebel, Ethel Hepti, Tracy Hunt, Matt Kielty, the lovely Robert Krulwich, Annie McEwen, Latif Nassar, Malissa O'Donnell, Adrian Wack, Pat Walters, and Molly Webster. This was a moment when human cruelty was on trial, quite literally. Telling a friend he felt like he'd lost his homeland. Yellow mucus was frothing out of their mouth, those who could still breathe would turn blue. I'm not going to help restore the sense that there is a moral order to the world and a moral norm. And on their skins, as on the bark of trees, have with my knife carved in Roman letters, 'Let not your sorrow die, though I am dead.'". Well, I'd have to discontinue the experimenter then. And what happens is that your elbowing the nitrogen apart from itself, and then forcing it to bond with the hydrogen in a new way. The subjects are 40 males between the ages of 20 and 50. That's it? You need to admit this. Really? I think they have to be extreme in the extreme. Well, all right. Stanley Milgram had four scripted prods that he wrote out for his experimenters for when the subjects didn't want to continue. Just push the button that corresponds to the right word. He takes over leadership of this institute in Berlin, and he starts hobnobbing with a whole different level of society. And not just because he was vain, which everyone agrees he was, but because he loves his country. With my arm. And actually two nations in South America went to war. He was always smoking his Virginian cigars. Can we really know that? Now, we don't actually know if he threw a party. ", Only 10 percent, under those circumstances, go on. Well what's the noble cause in this case? Okay, it's all right, but we've got to know that. They continued shocking their corpses. And "Because women have stepped on me all my life." I'll give you bad. And you got to ask is the world better with him or without him? You can find out more information about all those guys on our website. Why did you inflict on this suffering on them, on us? And I designed a little, um, questionnaire where I simply ask the students, you know, "Have you ever thought about killing someone?" You mean they're looking at 20 million people going hungry? in what is basically like the Baghdad of his time (laughing). But he organizes soldiers, he organizes whole gas units. Um, although there's some (laughs) [crosstalk 00:02:19]. So, around the turn of the century for German scientists like Haber, this was the challenge. That I remember picking her up and-. Um, we lived together for a couple months. He had snapped. But the guy is cut to shreds, he's allowed to confess. RadioLab is supported, in part, by the National Science Foundation, and the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation. Even past when they were screaming in pain. And so, I ex- expanded the sample where we asked about 5000 people. Thanks. And in this one you get 0% going all the way. [inaudible 00:59:22] it's building up [inaudible 00:59:24]. And it's this defense. And oddly enough, we came- got a really interesting take on the true nature of badness from this guy. [inaudible 01:00:01] is I- I went back one time before [inaudible 01:00:05] that I, uh, like I said, I got to get it out. Yet you go into this [inaudible 01:02:33] knowing full well that it could end up in her death. So, in the end where do you come down? But over the entire ocean, there's a lot of gold dissolved into the sea. They start disagreeing with each other. It immediately became apparent that there was going to be difficulties. No. He won't answer. ", "We'll basically bring it to the front and when the- when the wind is right, we'll just spray it.". Obedience droops to about 40 percent [inaudible 00:15:40]. 2K views almost 2 years ago 48:23 Love it or hate it, the freedom to say obnoxious and subversive things is the quintessence of what makes America America. They arrest Gary Le- Leon Ridgeway. "Well why can't you deal with it in a normal way?". We'll be right back [inaudible 00:31:42], let's just finish this series. That's one of the things we have to know, and that's why it's okay to let it out. Want to talk about bad people in Shakespeare. Episode Discussion: The Bad Show. Did members of Haber's family die in the concentration camps? So, he plans to destroy Othello. Hi, I'm Robert Krulwich. The whole thing happened several years ago. His wife went into hiding. Was it nice day? Yeah. And so I went up to the bedroom to find him and he was in a rage. These little nitrogen atoms will fiercely hold together and it's almost impossible to pry them apart. And if they still were resisting or struggling, they'd get prod number three. I mean, it's a pretty big thing to miss. This is, uh, I just want to take a shower. And the, uh, really, really bad that is in, uh, some of us. We asked, "Who do you think about killing?" This next part's a little graphic. He would give all his baddies at least one moment where they could be understood. We want what Elizabethan's got at the scaffold, which was a confession. He actually was very humiliated that Germany had lost, and especially humiliated over the fact that they had to pay enormous war reparations to other countries. There's trench warfare, it gets bogged down and Haber has an idea. Uh, Haber it's unknown what happened for the rest of that evening, but it is a well-documented fact that the very next morning. He knew about it. Can you hear me? Gary is dancing around this topic, Gary had denied this to his own lawyers. Literally disappeared for six months, and didn't tell anyone where she was because she was terrified that he was going to kill her. Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. 'cause this room's echo-ey and you know there's nothing like a closet full of clothes to, like, help balance that out. So, there's a way in which it touch a spark of humanity. Radiolab is supported in part by the Alfred P Sloan Foundation enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. And if they didn't go on, if they resisted, the experimenter would break out prod number two. So you ask like, "Why do people do bad things?". In fact, we hate being told, but we will do it on our own if we think it's good. We didn't really come into any kind of agreement with the Haber thing. Yeah. Cruelty, violence, badness. Is that how you say that thing-. Suspected that it could be upwards of 75. Um, could you just- just tell me, uh, the little story that you begin your book with? They're trying to be good participants. I invited him for dinner. This episode of Radiolab, we wrestle with the dark side of human nature, and ask whether it's something we can ever really understand, or fully escape. Because, ultimately, the play offers up a reason for his nastiness. With my arm. Give me two more minutes. We will begin with this test. Look, the participants, it's not just blind obedience, "Oh you tell me so, yes sir, no sir, three bags full, sir.". By the way, that's reporter [Latif Nassar 00:30:59]. But what you're doing is for the good of Germany, and this is necessary in order to advance our noble cause.". You know what's going to happen if she [inaudible 01:02:25]. My dorsal hair stood up when I read the end of this. And he throws himself at one of the central issues facing Germany at that time. At this point, David's moved onto a new university and he's teaching an introductory psychology class. Test the outer edges of what you think you know, Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. And I basically spent the next half hour walking around with him trying to cool him off. But in all of these other scenarios, they don't. And it gets even more disturbing for my father as the conversation suddenly pivots to another victim. No. Yeah, members of his extended family did; certainly friends of his did. Warning. The Bad Show.ogg download. Despite the chlorine gas. And my dad said, "I don't want to talk about it." And you know there's nothing a closet full of clothes to help balance that out. In front of this really impressive looking machine. Yeah. Yes. And my views about human nature are that it affords infinite potential for lightness and dark. And if they didn't go on, if they resisted [crosstalk 00:18:11] the experimenter would break out prod number two. This is just a tsunami of evil that passes through the play. With help from Adam Cole, Rachel James, and Matt [Kielty 01:07:25]. And everyone thought, "Well, we know the solution.". And I devoted one class session to the topic of homicide and why people kill. When I stand before you, judges of Israel, in this court [Foreign 00:12:14] to accuse Adolf Eichmann [Foreign 00:12:18], I do not stand alone. Nobody had done what she was about to do on the scale that he was about to do it. And did you go back to the party then and continue dinner partying for a while? Equal Housing lender licensed in all 50 states. He travels to the front. Like shocking an innocent stranger over and over. You know [crosstalk 00:25:00]. Gary is dancing around this topic. You know, I'm really proud of Job. Wow. And once again, another nitrogen compound. In Shakespeare, or life. Could you just tell me the little story that you begin your book with? But what if something's happened to the man. The fact that he kept on doing it over, and over, and over again was like, "Come on.". Suddenly I'm thinking this is actually a darker interpretation. Well,the experiment requires that you continue. And the rough statistics are that half of each of our bodies contains nitrogen from the Haber process. He recruited a bunch of subjects. He's such a puzzle to me. You know, he does it without humility, without- without a lot of doubt. And they're saying, "Have you checked out Job? Whatever it is. On the other hand, if anyone can do it-. Yeah. Now we don't actually know if he threw a party. Bald on top. My point is sometimes when we ask the why in the face of profound evil I kind of wonder if what we're doing is that we're daring God to show himself. That was just for those of you haven't heard it yet, this is a kind of a rush through a- through sex reproduction. And he says, "Can I come over and sleep on your couch? Haber starts thinking, in order to do this we need to, uh, pressure this. The thing is that I do have a new boyfriend, but my ex boyfriend doesn't know that- that yet, and I'm terrified that he'll do what he says. Cruelty, violence, badness. There's a pause and my father just says. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. In 1962 Stanley Milgram shocked the world with his study on obedience. The Germans were on one side, the French, the Canadians, and the British on the other. And shortly after his return, Clara, allegedly, confronts him and says, "Look, you are morally bankrupt. They couldn't deploy it. Oft have I digged up dead men from their graves and sit them up right at the dear friend's door. Where sound illuminates ideas, and the boundaries blur between science, philosophy, and human experience. Uh, when- when asked how close she came to killing him, she estimated 60%. Three times a year, two times before-. What does it actually mean to be bad anyways? We'll be right back to Haber, but wait- wait. 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